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	<title>Comments on: Hero Training: The Best Weapons for Home Defense</title>
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		<title>By: TXinChi</title>
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		<dc:creator>TXinChi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 08:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a former IPSC shooter from Texas that would like to add to this conversation.

I am unable to arm myself with a pistol in Chicago. It is currently under review, and I hope it works out. Why?

I live in a high rise and have neighbors. My load hear would be a .38 Special Glazer round out of my 4&quot; Colt Python. I used this gun on rare occasion for competion. I shoot my Gold Cup .45 more commonly in IPSC and shoot much better. 

I have grown up with pistol shooting.

I have practiced with shot guns a good deal, but I know pistols.

I am now forced into a .12 gauge by world. I live in a high rise Chicago, Chicago law say I can not have a pistol or hand gun and as such left them all in Texas with family.

I am much better with pistols, but have been made to live with a weapon that is not my best shot. My neighbors are the one that might suffer the price. I admit the chance of home intrusion is low where I live, but I have to sacrifice my capability and the saftey of those around me for what? Look at crime stats in Chicago.

All that said, it&#039;s about what you know how to shoot. For me, I will never miss shot with a .45, or a .357. These are the best 1st shot stoppers. (Outside of really large rounds). Time and time again they have proven as the best (one round) man stoppers. 

These are what I shoot best, and I can&#039;t. I am greatful that that hand-band of Chicago is before the supreme court. 

As to the topic..

I would never fire a rifle in my own house, but that has a lot to do with the fact that I have never effectively used one in competion or for survival. 

As former Marine, I would trust you know that weapons. For home use, I am not sold on a combat rifle outside those with such expertise. I trust myself with a pistol more than any other weapon because of my exp. This is not to disregard rifles. I own many.

Experience is the word. Learn to shoot. Take classes. Learn proper handling. Know your weapon well. Take proper care of your weapon. Safety, safety, then, practice, practice, practice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a former IPSC shooter from Texas that would like to add to this conversation.</p>
<p>I am unable to arm myself with a pistol in Chicago. It is currently under review, and I hope it works out. Why?</p>
<p>I live in a high rise and have neighbors. My load hear would be a .38 Special Glazer round out of my 4&#8243; Colt Python. I used this gun on rare occasion for competion. I shoot my Gold Cup .45 more commonly in IPSC and shoot much better. </p>
<p>I have grown up with pistol shooting.</p>
<p>I have practiced with shot guns a good deal, but I know pistols.</p>
<p>I am now forced into a .12 gauge by world. I live in a high rise Chicago, Chicago law say I can not have a pistol or hand gun and as such left them all in Texas with family.</p>
<p>I am much better with pistols, but have been made to live with a weapon that is not my best shot. My neighbors are the one that might suffer the price. I admit the chance of home intrusion is low where I live, but I have to sacrifice my capability and the saftey of those around me for what? Look at crime stats in Chicago.</p>
<p>All that said, it&#8217;s about what you know how to shoot. For me, I will never miss shot with a .45, or a .357. These are the best 1st shot stoppers. (Outside of really large rounds). Time and time again they have proven as the best (one round) man stoppers. </p>
<p>These are what I shoot best, and I can&#8217;t. I am greatful that that hand-band of Chicago is before the supreme court. </p>
<p>As to the topic..</p>
<p>I would never fire a rifle in my own house, but that has a lot to do with the fact that I have never effectively used one in competion or for survival. </p>
<p>As former Marine, I would trust you know that weapons. For home use, I am not sold on a combat rifle outside those with such expertise. I trust myself with a pistol more than any other weapon because of my exp. This is not to disregard rifles. I own many.</p>
<p>Experience is the word. Learn to shoot. Take classes. Learn proper handling. Know your weapon well. Take proper care of your weapon. Safety, safety, then, practice, practice, practice.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey NN,

I&#039;m back from the past and can tell you&#039;re living in some sort of Time Warp.  Even the European Media admits that Europe is more dangerous than America in terms of violent crime.  Violent Crime and Murder in America has steadily declined for decades.  Violent crime in the UK rose - unironically after stricter gun control laws.  Take a look here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html

Britain is the most violent country in Europe.  London is the 10th Most Dangerous City in the world.  America doesn&#039;t even rank in the top 10 Western countries for violence anymore.  Statistically, per 100,000, Britain, France, Canada, and Finland are all more dangerous than America - and America counts reported crimes, not just cases that result in conviction.  So while we may seem paranoid, at least we&#039;re safer.

And for BB,

In terms of religion being there for you, I&#039;ll simply say this:  God created all men equal, Samuel Colt made them all the same size.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey NN,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m back from the past and can tell you&#8217;re living in some sort of Time Warp.  Even the European Media admits that Europe is more dangerous than America in terms of violent crime.  Violent Crime and Murder in America has steadily declined for decades.  Violent crime in the UK rose &#8211; unironically after stricter gun control laws.  Take a look here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html</a></p>
<p>Britain is the most violent country in Europe.  London is the 10th Most Dangerous City in the world.  America doesn&#8217;t even rank in the top 10 Western countries for violence anymore.  Statistically, per 100,000, Britain, France, Canada, and Finland are all more dangerous than America &#8211; and America counts reported crimes, not just cases that result in conviction.  So while we may seem paranoid, at least we&#8217;re safer.</p>
<p>And for BB,</p>
<p>In terms of religion being there for you, I&#8217;ll simply say this:  God created all men equal, Samuel Colt made them all the same size.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Doc Brown´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/FilmSchoolRejects/~3/14wubxmsq9Y/uncovering-the-secret-of-kells-this-years-suprise-oscar-nominee.php" rel="nofollow">Uncovering The Secret of Kells: This Year&#8217;s Surprise Oscar Nominee</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://www.primermagazine.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: BB</title>
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		<dc:creator>BB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NN, 
I haven&#039;t checked out your estimate that crime is magnitudes higher in America than in Europe. But, as an American victim of one violent unprovoked crime that sent the perpetrator to prison for 20 years, and another home invasion in which I was threatened with a knife (all strangers to me), I can attest that crime does happen to regular middle class people like me. If, as you say, crime is heavy in America, it only makes sense to me, that I SHOULD be responsible enough to inform myself, protect myself and arm myself to take care that I not be victimized again.

In a crime situation, since time is of the essence, a faster repulsion of the perpetrators, either by scaring them away or blowing them away, seems the better option than waiting for someone to call 911 (if they can. I couldn&#039;t in my cases) and then waiting for a possible appropriate response from law enforcement (or not). Being armed and ready is, in my estimation, not &#039;mad&#039;, but rather, a prudent and responsible way to provide security and preserve one&#039;s own life and property. 

In the case of an isolated situation of home defense, as above, or more widespread anarchy or tyranny, where law enforcement would either be overtaxed or otherwise unavailable to defend someone, the U.S. Constitution, fortunately, recognizes the right of U.S. citizens to defend themselves with &#039;arms&#039;. One of the main reasons this right to bear arms was originally instituted was as a check to avoid tyranny, wherein a power-mad government might forget that government in America is of the people, by the people, and for the people. One could even call the second amendment a sort of 4th branch of the government (the people) because of this defensive check against possible tyranny. In my opinion, this amendment to the Constitution was not only not &#039;crazy&#039;, but a sound and solid preventative measure - a very good thing. If the unfortunate circumstances ever occur wherein we need to exercise resistance against tyranny, it&#039;s easy to see that if we were not armed, we would just be mowed down. If armed, we could defend ourselves and defend freedom. But, no matter where a possible threat may originate, be it rouge government, criminals, civil unrest, dangerous animals, or foreign invasion, it shows healthy responsiblilty, to just be prepared for it - in case. This is a good thing and there&#039;s everything right with it and nothing wrong with it. To me, it is self-evident.
BB


On another note to anyone,
That some people are paranoid so they own a gun and others are paranoid so they are afraid of guns, just shows that some people are paranoid and has nothing to do with the separate argument that it&#039;s better to be prepared for emergencies than not to be prepared.
BB

Jeff,
Another &#039;weapon&#039; for home defense, not related to firearms, but certainly worth mentioning, is Heaven&#039;s help. In the 2 instances where I was victimized (above), the intervention of God in my defense was what brought me through. I know that God is there for me to call upon for help. And it&#039;s the best kind of help I&#039;ve yet experienced.
BB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NN,<br />
I haven&#8217;t checked out your estimate that crime is magnitudes higher in America than in Europe. But, as an American victim of one violent unprovoked crime that sent the perpetrator to prison for 20 years, and another home invasion in which I was threatened with a knife (all strangers to me), I can attest that crime does happen to regular middle class people like me. If, as you say, crime is heavy in America, it only makes sense to me, that I SHOULD be responsible enough to inform myself, protect myself and arm myself to take care that I not be victimized again.</p>
<p>In a crime situation, since time is of the essence, a faster repulsion of the perpetrators, either by scaring them away or blowing them away, seems the better option than waiting for someone to call 911 (if they can. I couldn&#8217;t in my cases) and then waiting for a possible appropriate response from law enforcement (or not). Being armed and ready is, in my estimation, not &#8216;mad&#8217;, but rather, a prudent and responsible way to provide security and preserve one&#8217;s own life and property. </p>
<p>In the case of an isolated situation of home defense, as above, or more widespread anarchy or tyranny, where law enforcement would either be overtaxed or otherwise unavailable to defend someone, the U.S. Constitution, fortunately, recognizes the right of U.S. citizens to defend themselves with &#8216;arms&#8217;. One of the main reasons this right to bear arms was originally instituted was as a check to avoid tyranny, wherein a power-mad government might forget that government in America is of the people, by the people, and for the people. One could even call the second amendment a sort of 4th branch of the government (the people) because of this defensive check against possible tyranny. In my opinion, this amendment to the Constitution was not only not &#8216;crazy&#8217;, but a sound and solid preventative measure &#8211; a very good thing. If the unfortunate circumstances ever occur wherein we need to exercise resistance against tyranny, it&#8217;s easy to see that if we were not armed, we would just be mowed down. If armed, we could defend ourselves and defend freedom. But, no matter where a possible threat may originate, be it rouge government, criminals, civil unrest, dangerous animals, or foreign invasion, it shows healthy responsiblilty, to just be prepared for it &#8211; in case. This is a good thing and there&#8217;s everything right with it and nothing wrong with it. To me, it is self-evident.<br />
BB</p>
<p>On another note to anyone,<br />
That some people are paranoid so they own a gun and others are paranoid so they are afraid of guns, just shows that some people are paranoid and has nothing to do with the separate argument that it&#8217;s better to be prepared for emergencies than not to be prepared.<br />
BB</p>
<p>Jeff,<br />
Another &#8216;weapon&#8217; for home defense, not related to firearms, but certainly worth mentioning, is Heaven&#8217;s help. In the 2 instances where I was victimized (above), the intervention of God in my defense was what brought me through. I know that God is there for me to call upon for help. And it&#8217;s the best kind of help I&#8217;ve yet experienced.<br />
BB</p>
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		<title>By: NN</title>
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		<dc:creator>NN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 11:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, it&#039;s interesting reading this as an outsider. I thought this was an interesting magazine until I saw this article. 

Reading this as a European this reads like it was written by a psycho. The comments are even more scary. 

Why the hell do Americans persist in believing that guns make you safer? Your crime rates (and particularly violent crime rates) are orders of magnitude greater than ours - almost certainly because of your crazy constitutional right to bear arms.

Charlton Heston&#039;s &quot;cold dead hands&quot; comment really epitomises the collective madness that you have all gotten into.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, it&#8217;s interesting reading this as an outsider. I thought this was an interesting magazine until I saw this article. </p>
<p>Reading this as a European this reads like it was written by a psycho. The comments are even more scary. </p>
<p>Why the hell do Americans persist in believing that guns make you safer? Your crime rates (and particularly violent crime rates) are orders of magnitude greater than ours &#8211; almost certainly because of your crazy constitutional right to bear arms.</p>
<p>Charlton Heston&#8217;s &#8220;cold dead hands&#8221; comment really epitomises the collective madness that you have all gotten into.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 14:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to throw in my two cents on this debate.  I am a former infantryman, and I recently purchased an AR-15 for home defense.  I went with the AR for a number of reasons, but one of the most important was that it was the weapon I felt the most comfortable with.  After lugging an M-4 for years, the controls and action of an AR-15 seem second nature to me.  Also an AR is more versatile than the other options.  I can use it for simple home defense, civil unrest situations and for fun at the range.  But back to my main point, I think people should get the weapon they are the most comfortible with.  Remember most people won&#039;t rise to the occasion, they will revert to their level of training!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to throw in my two cents on this debate.  I am a former infantryman, and I recently purchased an AR-15 for home defense.  I went with the AR for a number of reasons, but one of the most important was that it was the weapon I felt the most comfortable with.  After lugging an M-4 for years, the controls and action of an AR-15 seem second nature to me.  Also an AR is more versatile than the other options.  I can use it for simple home defense, civil unrest situations and for fun at the range.  But back to my main point, I think people should get the weapon they are the most comfortible with.  Remember most people won&#8217;t rise to the occasion, they will revert to their level of training!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 04:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for tips, great article!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for tips, great article!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 03:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your reply. I went looking today and couldn&#039;t quite decide what to buy. I thought about checking out pawn shops but wound up going to several gun stores and just looking. Do you own the DPMS Panther Lite? Would you buy used or even trust buying one from a pawn shop? We had an army base that closed and I wonder if that would be a good place to start (the pawn shops that is). Sorry to be so uneducated about this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your reply. I went looking today and couldn&#8217;t quite decide what to buy. I thought about checking out pawn shops but wound up going to several gun stores and just looking. Do you own the DPMS Panther Lite? Would you buy used or even trust buying one from a pawn shop? We had an army base that closed and I wonder if that would be a good place to start (the pawn shops that is). Sorry to be so uneducated about this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Barnett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Barnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 01:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait, sorry for the mistake. My home defense load is #4 buck. More effective and less overpenetration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, sorry for the mistake. My home defense load is #4 buck. More effective and less overpenetration.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Barnett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Barnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 01:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,
 I keep a Remington 870 HD beside my headboard with a Glock 26 in the nightstand and an AR-15 on call in my gunsafe. The AR-15 is technically the best choice, but ONLY with frangible ammo. Let me say that again: ONLY with frangible ammo. I like the simplicity and reduced need for accuracy of the shotgun loaded with 00 buck. I live in a suburban neighborhood of brick homes, so overpenetration is not a huge concern for me. Best of luck.

Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,<br />
 I keep a Remington 870 HD beside my headboard with a Glock 26 in the nightstand and an AR-15 on call in my gunsafe. The AR-15 is technically the best choice, but ONLY with frangible ammo. Let me say that again: ONLY with frangible ammo. I like the simplicity and reduced need for accuracy of the shotgun loaded with 00 buck. I live in a suburban neighborhood of brick homes, so overpenetration is not a huge concern for me. Best of luck.</p>
<p>Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Lumpkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Lumpkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 01:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,
I came across your article just as I was beginning to think about acquiring an additional firearm besides my Beretta 92FS for home defense. If you were going to buy one additional firearm, what would you purchase? I am more comfortable with the prospect of an AR-15 than a 12 gauge, but would like to see if you still feel the same as when you published this article. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,<br />
I came across your article just as I was beginning to think about acquiring an additional firearm besides my Beretta 92FS for home defense. If you were going to buy one additional firearm, what would you purchase? I am more comfortable with the prospect of an AR-15 than a 12 gauge, but would like to see if you still feel the same as when you published this article. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 04:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have 2 personal favorites. Shotgun Tactical load &quot;00&quot; buck shot for myself but I think the &quot;0&quot; buck is just as good but no one seems to use it. You don&#039;t need the 3&quot; magnum shells it is just over kill and penetrates farther with tons more recoil, which you don&#039;t need. The second choice/favorite one for everyone is the M1 carbine. It is so simple, no recoil, 30 round magazines and the new rounds that have been developed for it with the expanding bullets 2009 are about as perfect as you can get for unloading on a human target without overpenetration. Military ammo is so cheap for this rife so you can practice to your hearts content and it is so easy and fun to shoot. But do not use the military FMJ ammo for defense in the home because it will overpenetrate and go right through someone, ever III body armor and keep going. So practice with the fmj rounds by the 1000 and keep 2 mags of the new awsome rounds developed for it for defense. Your wife and all family members will like and enjoy handling and shooting this small easy gun. The best thing is that they have all sorts of suff you can put on them with lights, optics and whatever and they are just plain simple to operate. The new rounds have brought it into the 21st century:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have 2 personal favorites. Shotgun Tactical load &#8220;00&#8243; buck shot for myself but I think the &#8220;0&#8243; buck is just as good but no one seems to use it. You don&#8217;t need the 3&#8243; magnum shells it is just over kill and penetrates farther with tons more recoil, which you don&#8217;t need. The second choice/favorite one for everyone is the M1 carbine. It is so simple, no recoil, 30 round magazines and the new rounds that have been developed for it with the expanding bullets 2009 are about as perfect as you can get for unloading on a human target without overpenetration. Military ammo is so cheap for this rife so you can practice to your hearts content and it is so easy and fun to shoot. But do not use the military FMJ ammo for defense in the home because it will overpenetrate and go right through someone, ever III body armor and keep going. So practice with the fmj rounds by the 1000 and keep 2 mags of the new awsome rounds developed for it for defense. Your wife and all family members will like and enjoy handling and shooting this small easy gun. The best thing is that they have all sorts of suff you can put on them with lights, optics and whatever and they are just plain simple to operate. The new rounds have brought it into the 21st century:)</p>
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		<title>By: lowie</title>
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		<dc:creator>lowie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow big guns(;
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